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Atlantic Jewel wins the 2013 Memsie Stakes- trained by Mark Kavanagh and ridden by Michael Rodd.

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  • MrWalto69 Says:

    17/10/2013 2:00:48 AM

    @DUCSDREAM either the Breeders cup mile, the Cox Plate, the Epsom derby or the Arc. I know the last 2 are 2400 but Breeders cup mile the travel isn't that bad but you know he was a champion horse but it would be hard to not put him as probably the best ever had he went overseas and won a big race. Look what the Arc win did for Sea the Stars for example Or Phar Laps agua calinete win in Mexico.

  • MrWalto69 Says:

    17/10/2013 1:58:40 AM

    @DUCSDREAM He looked good in his 2 wins I saw with Shamexpress, I figure if he can travel well and adapt (if he comes down) he'll be a big threat to snatch some majors. I understand about Cecils cancer but Frankel won the sussex stakes I believe with Cecil not being there. I mean Seabiscuit won a race without his main jockey, Black Caviar won in Ascot without her strapper who the horse was fond off. point is, I just would've loved to have seen Frankel in just one of the following races.

  • DUCSDREAM Says:

    16/10/2013 10:49:49 PM

    I think Sole Power would get a bit too far behind over there,but he has got a real good finish on him.The Irish filly looks to need a little bit of mud to be seen at her best.My last words on Frankel.Trainer was dying and the owner possibly leaving racing,this was the best horse they each had ever seen and they did what they set out to do with him.Possibly the best horse in the world..

  • MrWalto69 Says:

    16/10/2013 9:43:12 PM

    @DUCSDREAM entertaining. And the st ledgers winner voleuse de coeurs is coming over for the Melbourne cup, Puissance De Lunne's jockey Glen Boss could be riding VDC. Yeah his a nice little colt is HG. he has the ability to go big here but only question mark here is how will he handle the travel and different conditions. yet to be seen, we had Shamexpress win the G1 Newmarket here and he performed badly in England, Still Love to see Sole Power here against our sprinters.

  • MrWalto69 Says:

    16/10/2013 9:38:32 PM

    @DUCSDREAM That's just one of the main things some fans say why he never went overseas, to protect his stud value "apparently. I agree 2400 would probably be too long but the breeders cup mile or the cox plate 2000 are perfect for him. Just because you're a prince or sir doesn't change that you're a person with the same mind as anyone else, like everyone, they don't have to listen to anything they don't want to but they should've at least given him a big test. I don't, I find their comments

  • DUCSDREAM Says:

    15/10/2013 10:55:47 PM

    You might be interested to know that there is very high class colt on his way shortly to Oz.He is called Havana Gold and he is a miler that appears to struggle to get 10f.He goes on most ground except soft or worse.It looks the type to gobble up those nice big mile races out there!!

  • DUCSDREAM Says:

    15/10/2013 9:55:28 PM

    You might be interested to know that a very high class miler is being sent to Oz shortly.His name is Havana Gold,he is owned by an Arab owner who hoovers up quality horses faster than Godolphin does!!It goes on most types of ground although possibly not by soft or slower and struggles a bit to get 10f.He looks the sort to gobble up those nice mile races out there....

  • DUCSDREAM Says:

    15/10/2013 6:13:33 AM

    I personally doubt these so called fans have been within 10 feet of a TB let alone ridden one,therefore if I was you I would'nt waste anymore time on them..

  • DUCSDREAM Says:

    15/10/2013 6:08:43 AM

    Frankel retired undefeated.Why would the owner or trainer of this horse listen to anything advised by "fans" on utube?One of them was a SIR the other a prince..They waited a fair while to find a colt good enough to be called Frankel.

  • DUCSDREAM Says:

    15/10/2013 5:56:17 AM

    I think one of worlds richest men wouldn't worry about stud values.He retired with his reputation enhanced.As I wrote earlier,his trainer thought it unlikely he would stay 12f.

  • MrWalto69 Says:

    15/10/2013 12:19:58 AM

    @DUCSDREAM I just find it funny how some Frankel fans call races weak or shit yet they're the races Frankels connections avoided lol. but as I said i'd have more respect for Frankels connections had they raced him in the Arc and he lost rather then race in a 6 horse field with his half brother helping him.

  • MrWalto69 Says:

    15/10/2013 12:18:53 AM

    @DUCSDREAM it, Frankel fans abuse the horse, only because he was undefeated at one stage. That's what the Frankel fans on here say about the Arc fields, "weak fields" yet Frankel never went. it's because it was 2400 and the fact the race can get messy, that's something Cecil didn't want Frankel to be in. but he won at 1600 and 2000, theres the breeders cup mile or the Cox Plate but again Frankel fans say "those are shit races, to easy" yet they rejected the invites to come?

  • MrWalto69 Says:

    15/10/2013 12:16:19 AM

    @DUCSDREAM I know he had a pacemaker, im saying he did all the work himself. that win alone proved he never needed Bullet Train yet they still used him. And the only reason I can see why is to make sure he couldn't lose. I dunno, you can call it being cowards or trying to protect his stud value either way it's a bad image for the horse. Whats wrong with contesting the derby in England? or a triple crown? I mean Camelot almost won the triple crown but instead of praising him for almost winning

  • DUCSDREAM Says:

    14/10/2013 3:57:29 AM

    As I said he had a pacemaker put in the race for him but it was unable to get to the lead.He is owned by the top honcho in Saudi Arabia and what ever he decreed, as long as it was legal was carried out.If he didn't want to race anywhere other than here that was that!!The Arc in October was never going to happen although how anyone can say any Arc is weak is beyond belief.He was basically a miler that stretched to 10f and I think that was as far as Mr Cecil thought he would go in Group 1 company.

  • MrWalto69 Says:

    14/10/2013 12:57:33 AM

    @DUCSDREAM but just like us, we don't understand how a lot of Frankel fans say races like the Arc, races in Australia and America are weak and Frankel would've romped them, but they ran away from them. Not saying he had to travel all over the world, but if the Arc field was really that weak last year why not send him? i'd have more respect had he went over to the Arc and lost then winning a 6 horse field with his pacemaker helping him but I guess that's my opinion.

  • MrWalto69 Says:

    14/10/2013 12:54:51 AM

    @DUCSDREAM He never had a pacemaker setting the pace for him in the guineas. He did it all by himself which is why I don't understand that if he can produce a performance like the guineas why he needed another horse to help set a tempo for him. Confusing. I don't make the rules over here dude, but I do agree with you. racing horses like Green Moon at 2000 distances when his a 3200 meter horse is pretty poor decision making or worse I think he raced in a 1400 or 1600 against All too Hard.

  • DUCSDREAM Says:

    13/10/2013 11:46:45 PM

    Frankel did have a pacemaker in the Guineas,it was called ReRouted.It slightly missed the break and was unable to get to the front!!He led up at Ascot and that bottomed him for somewhile,He is now in Dubai,rated 115.Over here we can't believe you are allowed to race ex Euro horses at roughly half their ideal distance.I suppose we all race with what we are allowed!!

  • MrWalto69 Says:

    13/10/2013 6:59:31 PM

    @MrWTF74 by my opinion that he would've lost had Bullet Train not been in the race. And they go on about how Frankel has this lightning speed lol, they should thank BT for that. Her jockey just made a bad move putting her in front with no pace. she's at her best when she stalks and It's a Dundeel thrives on no pace so it was his ideal race. She did well yesterday, better riding tactics. but as you said imagine if she had a pacemaker like Frankel. she'd be close to unstoppable.

  • MrWalto69 Says:

    13/10/2013 6:57:34 PM

    @MrWTF74 She would've murdered It's a Dundeel had she had those pacemaker team riding tactics. Ask any pom mate why was it Frankel didn't have a pacemaker helping him in the guineas yet they put one in his last 6 races. they won't answer it lol. Ever since he had that scare at the St james palace , they put Bullet Train in the races. that's why they never went to America or Australia. no pacemaker= no certainty to win and that = no balls to take a risk. his last race with CDA I still stand

  • MrWTF74 Says:

    13/10/2013 5:42:28 PM

    Frankel is way overrated, he isn't the worlds best horse. The whole TF rating system is also a joke, It's absolute BS to put it bluntly. Horses such as Brigadier Gerard was with out a doubt much better. So are other horses such as: Sea Bird, Secretariat, Ribot, Kingston Town. Even though Frankel & Black Caviar are totally different, as ones a middle distance horse, the other was a sprinter. However saying that I cannot split them, how can you even though one has a rating of 147 the other 136

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