Arts and Letters terrific jockey Braulio Baeza never gotten over losing this one; as he said "I should've won that Preakness. Majestic Prince fouled me twice. It took the stewards a very long time to decide. They never take horses down in the Preakness."
people need respect SECRETARIAT lets appreciate him for his immeasurable victories, ones likely never to be seen again i dont understand the ignorance of some people who are in the miniscule minority, and have the odacity to denegrate SCRETARIAT and question his HEART, the problem with these individuals are, they refuse to accept that SECRETARIAT is one of the 3 greatest horses that ever raced if not the greatest.
No worries; I just wanted to make my position clear. I love Dr. Fager; the case you make for him has been eminently fair, and you've done so without denigrating other horses. The fact that you DON'T denigrate is very much appreciated. Have a great day.
No disagreement at all, what I was saying was when he wasn't right he was susceptable. When he was himself(meaning no abcess, no low grade fever,etc.) he was a pure steamroller. We agree on this issue,I promise not to bring up Dr. Fager(just a little joke!).
That's right, not excuses; but as far not being unbeatable, that's where I'm going to have to respectfully disagree; I truly believe Secretariat WAS unbeatable when totally right. That's always been my contention, without debating it any further. I really don't have the time or energy to get into yet another debate. No offense. We each have our favorites, and that's certainly good enough for me. Take care, and thank you for your many comprehensive comments in the videos! You know your stuff!
Precisely! That's what myself and others have said all along. I have that book, and the explanations are totally logical. We have only offered the facts, they are not "excuses" as many cynical critics of Secretariat would like to believe. I wish they could accept those facts. Thanks for posting that pertinent information.
CONT: In the Woodward, he wasn't origionally going to run. Riva Ridge (his stablemate was) was supposed to run. The track came up wet, Riva didn't handle offgoing at all. So Secretariat stepped in without those "zinger" workouts designed to open his pipes. Thus he wasn't 100% percent. source- Bill Nack, who wrote a book on Secretariat.
CONT: He lost the Whitney to Onion,Secretariat had lost training time battling a low grade fever. What you saw was what is called a "short Horse". Meaning short on conditioning,Secretariat thrived on very fast WO's,usually that saps a horse,not him it opened his pipes.
CONT: Turcotte was distraught after his 1st workout for the Derby(he still had the abcess),when he worked the 2nd time for the Derby, turcotte was relieved because Secretariat was back to his old self. Right after the 1st WO, the groom told him about the abcess.
Secretariat evidently didn't like the letter W. Seriously, he had an abcess in his mouth(causing severe discomfort with rhe bit being in his mouth, it was kept secret from Turcotte) during the Wood Memorial.
Look, I can accept his defeats with no problem, that's not the issue I have. The issue I have is WHY I believe he lost. I've stated my case, you've stated yours. Again, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Take care.
Totally agree. Chic was the master of the understated, professional call. I really liked Marshall Cassidy in his prime as well. Excellent in his tone, pace and clarity of voice. I have the '70 Belmont with Fred Caposella kicking around here somewhere. I'll have to post that soon.
Merry Christmas and happy holidays to you!
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I for one, will take the word of the jockey (Turcotte) of Secretariat over speculation of whether or not "he would NOT run if anything was seriously wrong." No offense intended. Lucien Laurin, may he rest in peace, was known as a notoriously stubborn man, and he WILLINGLY made mistakes leading to Big Red's defeats. I just wish people could accept that fact. With a level-headed trainer, SEC likely would have lost only his maiden, IMHO. Take care.
As for Arts & Letters, while a great horse in his own right, he wasn't quite in the same league as Secretariat. He wouldn't have had a chance to roar up beside him. Even if he had, Secretariat's finishing kick was so devastating, no horse in history has ever matched it in it's consistency and power.
Thanks for your comments and for viewing.
The horsemen that critiqued, and still critique Secretariat's losses just flat-out refuse to acknowledge that he wasn't right in those races. Big Red's greatness didn't diminish in the least because of those defeats, IMHO. When he was at his best and right, Secretariat was, and still is, the greatest racehorse of all time. More...
Charles David Anderson is my favorite caller of all time. With his understated, yet professional style, you just KNEW that the excitement and drama in his calls was something to be taken VERY seriously, and was music to the ear. I greatly miss him, and I'm sure the racing world does as well. More...
711ATOM Says:
8/01/2011 6:21:42 PM
Arts and Letters terrific jockey Braulio Baeza never gotten over losing this one; as he said "I should've won that Preakness. Majestic Prince fouled me twice. It took the stewards a very long time to decide. They never take horses down in the Preakness."
drfager01 Says:
13/02/2008 11:02:00 AM
people need respect SECRETARIAT lets appreciate him for his immeasurable victories, ones likely never to be seen again i dont understand the ignorance of some people who are in the miniscule minority, and have the odacity to denegrate SCRETARIAT and question his HEART, the problem with these individuals are, they refuse to accept that SECRETARIAT is one of the 3 greatest horses that ever raced if not the greatest.
cf1970 Says:
2/02/2008 5:37:07 AM
No worries; I just wanted to make my position clear. I love Dr. Fager; the case you make for him has been eminently fair, and you've done so without denigrating other horses. The fact that you DON'T denigrate is very much appreciated.
Have a great day.
BE109 Says:
2/02/2008 5:12:30 AM
No disagreement at all, what I was saying was when he wasn't right he was susceptable. When he was himself(meaning no abcess, no low grade fever,etc.) he was a pure steamroller. We agree on this issue,I promise not to bring up Dr. Fager(just a little joke!).
cf1970 Says:
2/02/2008 5:11:43 AM
That's right, not excuses; but as far not being unbeatable, that's where I'm going to have to respectfully disagree; I truly believe Secretariat WAS unbeatable when totally right. That's always been my contention, without debating it any further. I really don't have the time or energy to get into yet another debate. No offense.
We each have our favorites, and that's certainly good enough for me.
Take care, and thank you for your many comprehensive comments in the videos! You know your stuff!
BE109 Says:
2/02/2008 4:54:23 AM
You are correct,they are not excuses. He wasn't unbeatable. But when he was on song (which was most of the time), he was incredible.
cf1970 Says:
1/02/2008 5:45:39 AM
Precisely! That's what myself and others have said all along. I have that book, and the explanations are totally logical. We have only offered the facts, they are not "excuses" as many cynical critics of Secretariat would like to believe. I wish they could accept those facts.
Thanks for posting that pertinent information.
BE109 Says:
1/02/2008 5:20:55 AM
CONT: In the Woodward, he wasn't origionally going to run. Riva Ridge (his stablemate was) was supposed to run. The track came up wet, Riva didn't handle offgoing at all. So Secretariat stepped in without those "zinger" workouts designed to open his pipes. Thus he wasn't 100% percent. source- Bill Nack, who wrote a book on Secretariat.
BE109 Says:
1/02/2008 5:16:22 AM
CONT: He lost the Whitney to Onion,Secretariat had lost training time battling a low grade fever. What you saw was what is called a "short Horse". Meaning short on conditioning,Secretariat thrived on very fast WO's,usually that saps a horse,not him it opened his pipes.
BE109 Says:
1/02/2008 5:13:32 AM
CONT: Turcotte was distraught after his 1st workout for the Derby(he still had the abcess),when he worked the 2nd time for the Derby, turcotte was relieved because Secretariat was back to his old self. Right after the 1st WO, the groom told him about the abcess.
BE109 Says:
1/02/2008 5:10:15 AM
Secretariat evidently didn't like the letter W. Seriously, he had an abcess in his mouth(causing severe discomfort with rhe bit being in his mouth, it was kept secret from Turcotte) during the Wood Memorial.
cf1970 Says:
31/01/2008 5:57:08 AM
Look, I can accept his defeats with no problem, that's not the issue I have. The issue I have is WHY I believe he lost. I've stated my case, you've stated yours. Again, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Take care.
cf1970 Says:
15/12/2007 7:37:53 AM
Totally agree. Chic was the master of the understated, professional call. I really liked Marshall Cassidy in his prime as well. Excellent in his tone, pace and clarity of voice. I have the '70 Belmont with Fred Caposella kicking around here somewhere. I'll have to post that soon. Merry Christmas and happy holidays to you!
cf1970 Says:
15/12/2007 7:34:19 AM
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I for one, will take the word of the jockey (Turcotte) of Secretariat over speculation of whether or not "he would NOT run if anything was seriously wrong." No offense intended. Lucien Laurin, may he rest in peace, was known as a notoriously stubborn man, and he WILLINGLY made mistakes leading to Big Red's defeats. I just wish people could accept that fact. With a level-headed trainer, SEC likely would have lost only his maiden, IMHO. Take care.
cf1970 Says:
9/12/2007 10:28:35 AM
As for Arts & Letters, while a great horse in his own right, he wasn't quite in the same league as Secretariat. He wouldn't have had a chance to roar up beside him. Even if he had, Secretariat's finishing kick was so devastating, no horse in history has ever matched it in it's consistency and power. Thanks for your comments and for viewing.
cf1970 Says:
9/12/2007 10:24:17 AM
The horsemen that critiqued, and still critique Secretariat's losses just flat-out refuse to acknowledge that he wasn't right in those races. Big Red's greatness didn't diminish in the least because of those defeats, IMHO. When he was at his best and right, Secretariat was, and still is, the greatest racehorse of all time. More...
cf1970 Says:
9/12/2007 10:20:52 AM
Charles David Anderson is my favorite caller of all time. With his understated, yet professional style, you just KNEW that the excitement and drama in his calls was something to be taken VERY seriously, and was music to the ear. I greatly miss him, and I'm sure the racing world does as well. More...
cf1970 Says:
1/09/2007 8:57:23 AM
Thanks, Dave. I'm glad you like it. Chic's call and enthusiasm were spot on. Have a good weekend!
davemock Says:
31/08/2007 3:41:30 PM
Great clip, cf1970. And boy, Chic Anderson, like Majestic Prince, was "full out" on the call too, from the beginning.
cf1970 Says:
2/08/2007 3:47:17 AM
Yep, he was truly a legend! It takes a TON of heart to keep on fighting the good fight!